1996 Bust Magazine JG Thilwell and Jennifer Charles

THE DEVIL AND MISS CHARLES
Jim Thirlwell interviews Jennifer Charles

Jim G. Thirlwell (aka Foetus) chats it up with Jennifer Charles, the sultry singer/siren of Elysian Fields, the hypnotic New York band with their first EP out on Radioactive Records.

JGT: What would drive you to murder? Vengeance, possibly?

JC: Maybe love.

JGT: Love scorned? Are you capable of a crime of passion?

JC: I don’t like to think so. But I think everybody has that in them.

JGT: I know I sure do. What’s the difference between trustin’ and thrustin’?

JC: (silent)

JGT: Okay, moving right along…do you think it’s ever necessary to kill?

JC: You don’t know what the difference between trusting and thrusting is?

JGT: I just like it ’cause it rhymes. Your lyrics openly celebrate sexuality.

JC: I think all music is about seduction in some way.

JGT: Does that openness make you feel vulnerable?

JC: Sure.

JGT: Are you adopting a role?

JC: No.

JGT: Exaggerating?

JC: No. I want to bring my audience on a trip with me.

JGT: You invite them into your bedroom, metaphorically.

JC: Metaphorically.

JGT: Your lyrics are full of innuendo, but they couldn’t put a parental advisory sticker on your record, which I really like. You can say a word like “window” or something, and imbue it with so much sexual mystery. I mean, it’s dripping.

JC: That’s the beauty of communication. You can fuck someone with a look.

JGT: You fuck an entire room with a look. (laughter)

JC: It feels good. I want everyone to feel important and sexy and beautiful and free.

JGT: How did you master the mystery of understatement? Did you start with overstatement and work your way back? Practice in front of a mirror?

JC: (laughter) It’s just natural. I think you can tell when something’s contrived.

JGT: There’s a lot of sadness and introspection in there. Is that cathartic? Therapeutic?

JC: Absolutely. To express your vulnerability is very liberating.

JGT: Does it shed demons for you?

JC: I don’t know if it completely exorcises them. It gives them a chance to come out and breathe, a forum. I think that’s why people have idols, so that they can identify with that liberation.

JGT: Do you think you’re an idol?

JC: I don’t see myself that way.

JGT: Everyone else thinks you are. How do you deal with all of that scrutiny?

JC: I really can’t think of the result. I just hope it touches someone, makes them feel good.

JGT: “Mermaid” is a very personal song. What was your muse for that?

JC: They’re just feelings of openness, loss….

JGT: But you’re the manipulator in that song. You’re luring the sailors onto the rocks, saying, “As soon as you see me I’m gone.” You’re in control.

JC: To an extent. But there’s the feeling of being incomplete.

JGT: The mermaid is incomplete?

JC: Definitely. Because she sacrifices love for the sea. She can’t betray herself in the end.

JGT: Why?

JC: It’s just her destiny. She’s resigned to it.

JGT: How analogous is that to your life?

JC: I think everyone has moments of that.

JGT: What are your taboos? Where do you draw the line artistically? Socially?

JC: I just do what I do. I don’t stand in judgment of other people.

JGT: What about pig fucking?

JC: If it works for you, go with it.

JGT: So all right, how many lovers have you had?

JC: (pause) I’ve always gotten what I wanted.

JGT: But, inquiring minds want to know!

JC: I think the title of “Bad Girl” is something society brands on powerful women, because they pose a threat. But they’re really the good girls. I think it’s important not to let society stop you from being who you are.

JGT: Absolutely. I’m a big believer in female power. All of my best friends are women. What did you listen to growing up?

JC: My mother was a torch singer and my father was a jazz DJ, so there was always music around me. We listened to everything.

JGT: Do you want to blow up the world, blow off the world, blow off some steam, blow in the wind, or blow a chasm in the base of Mt. Ignorance, where you can plant a fungus of Jennifer Charles and Elysian Fields and have it fester and blossom?

JC: All of the above.

JGT: Are you conscious of the fact that you’re going to change the world?

JC: No.

JGT: Well, maybe it’s better you aren’t aware of it.

JC: Women who change things inspire me a lot. Gertrude Stein, Frida Kahlo, Mae West, Bessie Smith. They broke barriers, and people called them “bad girls.”

JGT: Billie?

JC:Yeah. I dig Susan Faludi, too. “The undeclared war against American women,” you know?

JGT: I was totally behind the Women’s Conference in Beijing. I’ve got a great affinity for women. Behind every foetus, there’s a woman.

Source: Bust magazine of Spring/Summer 1996.